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Automata, Herbs, Math, and Some Fuck Dub

  • Apr. 19th, 2003 at 12:57 AM
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ART met her sister NATURE late,
And seeing her at ease,
Inviting her to take a seat
At her Androides;

Dame NATURE went—was pleas’d at first,
And warmly praised her sister;
Then laughing, till she nearly burst,
In seeming rapture kiss’d her.

But as the wond’rous figures work’d
She look’d a little serious,
Whilst envy in her bosom lurk’d—
Her brow became imperious.

“How’s this!” to ART she loudly said,
“How’s this! ungrateful creature!
Profanely thou hast dar’d to tread
Thus in the walks of NATURE.

“I prithee, base, usurping wench,
No more these freedoms take;
If thus my province thou intrench
Thou’lt men and women make.”


Anonymous poem published in the Bath Herald, Saturday, 28 January 1797, on the occasion of “Mr. Haddock’s Exhibition of Androides.”



In the study of automatons, I found a clockwork monk that was designed as a votive for a young prince that nearly died and was saved when he touched the Monk’s still-sweet-smelling remains. System theory has been helping me understand what it is specifically that makes me love mathematics so.

On suspicion of demonic possession, the Spanish Inquisition briefly imprisoned Pierre Jacquet-Droz and his automaton son that wrote the following phrase, "I don't think, therefore I am not?", parodying "Cogito, ergo sum (I think, therefore I am)" by Rene Descartes.

“The Turing Machine, a simple mathematical model of a computer. Despite its simplicity, the Turing machine models the cimputing capability of a general purpose computer. The Turing machine is studied both foe the class of language it defines (called the recursively enumerable sets) and the class of integer fuctions it computes (called the partial recursive functions). A variety of other models of computation are introduced and shown to be equivalent to the Turing machine in computing power.” (Introduction to automata theory, languages and computation, Hopcroft, Ullman; 1979, p. 146)

I sat on a porch the other day and watched the sun set while I sang. I gathered a great many books of 16th century writing samples and practiced my hand, and I’ve taken to writing nearly exclusively with ink and quill. A friend was rather sick with pneumonia last month, and I brewed her a few droughts using my herbs from the last gathering season:
Internal:
If the ailment is due to overeating, use of alcohol, exposure to wet, damp, cold or excessive activity, use sweating therapy. For this a tea is made with equal parts of:

  • Elder flowers

  • Burdock seed

  • Mugwort

  • Vervain


Simmer for 20 minutes, drink as hot as possible.

Take one of more cups of the infusion and follow immediately with a hot bath. Then go to bed with several covers to provoke perspiration. If ailment is caused by blocked food in the stomach, a lobelia emetic might be beneficial to clear the stomach through vomiting. If the ailment is accompanied by weakness, emaciation, paleness, low fever, clear or white discharge or is occurring in a person who has a deficient diet, low in protein, use a tea of equal parts:

  • Dandelion root

  • Burdock root

  • Chicory root


Today is the third day of Pesach I believe. It seems like a lifetime ago that I observed such a day, it is now a strange sort of event that seems to be something I did not experience myself but only read about.

Unfortunately, I don’t yet understand how Plato’s dialogue Theætetus offers the discovery that the square root of 2 is irrational.

Comments

[info]mwshook wrote:
Apr. 18th, 2003 10:14 pm (UTC)
Someday, I need to devote a couple years of casual study of the history of medicine.

The remedies you described are driving me crazy. How much protein is in those roots? Clear or white discharge from where?

Sweating therapy is not a good idea for too much alcohol. You need to be rehydrated.

Pneumonia would be an interesting topic to study. It's the "old man's friend," allowing a quick end of suffering from cancer, hear disease, etc. Pneumonia is also SARS. New, modern, and scary.

I remember how one of our better lecturers described the gross appearance of the lungs during different stages of pneumonia. "This is is how the lungs look while our heroine is deathly ill, by herself in her cabin in the wilderness. She cannot get out of bed, and struggles to breathe." "This is how the lungs look when our hero comes bursting through the door. He frets over her all night long, making teas with rare herbs. Through the night she miraculously recovers."

The natural course of pneumonia had to be described like this, because antibiotics changes everything.
[info]kiad wrote:
Apr. 19th, 2003 04:35 am (UTC)
I know a few people that study the History of Medicine, and using only their presentations as a judge, it is some humourous stuff.

Your questions about the remedies make me laugh. The quality of the herb changes from plant to plant and from location to location. I am sure in some places the herb has little value, and in others it might have negative value. Isn't it just experience?

I am glad I've never had Pneumonia. I had that horrible flu when I first met you and I was bedridden for an entire week. I even got so dehydrated that I couldn't drink outright for a few days; I had to suck on a wet cloth. Disasterous.

Until there is a way to make and test and confirm the quality and consistancy of home remedies, people will guess and perhaps make mistakes. I am sure for a lot of people, it is much more satisfying than taking a little white pill. Then again, you were against me not taking antibiotics when I was young, saying I could have become infected and caused a public health problem. But I didn't.
[info]mwshook wrote:
Apr. 19th, 2003 06:15 am (UTC)
How do you know you didn't cause a public health problem? It's a very abstract thing. You don't know who got your germs.

That's a good point about consistency between different remedies. That's one of my problems with this rebirth of snake oil in the last 10 years. You can make the same outrageous claims whether your supplement has a good dose and is 100% pure, or if your supplement has a miniscule amount, or even nothing. That is before you even start talking about variations between different sources.

I would like to find some good herbal teas (especially since I have a stress problem). I have already had good experience with the caffeine and theophylline in norma tea :-)
[info]mwshook wrote:
Apr. 19th, 2003 06:23 am (UTC)
Oh, also on... "Until there is a way to make and test and confirm the quality and consistancy of home remedies"

The problem is not so much scientific as it is economic. There a lot of natural remedies being sold that undoubtedly have medical benefits, and it would be great to find out what they are, how they work, what the dosing should be, etc.

But there's no economic incentive to do so. If you synthesize a drug, you patent it, and spend millions of dollars determining safety and efficacy. You have to prove it works before people will use it.

On the side of natural products, no one can patent it, so no one will foot the bill for the research. In addition, consumers are already buying it. You are already making your money, so why bother paying for research?
[info]a_green_macaw wrote:
Apr. 18th, 2003 11:11 pm (UTC)
I just thought I would let you know that your posts give me things to investigate and contemplate; I walk away just a little smarter from each one.
[info]kiad wrote:
Apr. 19th, 2003 04:36 am (UTC)
I always hope that will be the case. (=
[info]ogonzoo wrote:
Apr. 18th, 2003 11:16 pm (UTC)
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm... rawr
[info]kiad wrote:
Apr. 19th, 2003 04:37 am (UTC)
When Androids Dream of Electronic Sheep?
[info]zenmaster wrote:
Apr. 19th, 2003 12:09 am (UTC)
Actually (and I'm stretching here -- it's been a while since I last picked up Plato), Theætetus doesn't prove that the square root of 2 is irrational. Pythagoras had already done that. What Theætetus proved was that every number that was not a perfect square had an irrational square root.
[info]kiad wrote:
Apr. 19th, 2003 04:43 am (UTC)
Plato's dialogue Theætetus refers to the story of the discovery that the square root of 2 is irration, and goes on to discuss a later mathematician Theodorus' contributions. Theodorus proved that the square roots of all whole numbers up to 17 ( except 1,4,9,16) are irrational. Plato says next, "Then for some reason, he stopped." Many have tried to explain why he stopped at 17. One explanation is connected with the spiral diagram at the end of my post- But I don't understand how Throdorus' Wheel explains why the wheel was stopped after 17- or even what this means in general. Perhaps it only proves that since the spokes don't line up.... I don't know.
[info]cloudevangelion wrote:
Apr. 19th, 2003 12:21 am (UTC)
Nice poem, very nice poem. I am mistaken to think that all ye Old English poets have passed on.

If you're interested in reading up on Turning machines and cognitive science in general - here's a recommended book: Artificial Life by Stephen Levy.
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Cartesian Joke (lame)


Rene Descartes was in a bar. At last call, the bartender asks him if he'd like another. Descartes says, "I think not." And he disappears.
[info]kiad wrote:
Apr. 19th, 2003 04:45 am (UTC)
Oh, I didn't write the poem, I attributed it at the bottom. The person that wrote that is now long dead.

I am not really interested in Turing Machines, I've looked at them before;emdash& I am mainly interested in Turing only as it relates to the history of androids, and I am going to the primary sources for that.

Heh- Cute joke.
[info]radium wrote:
Apr. 19th, 2003 02:00 am (UTC)
thank you. your posts are a pleasure!

you may be interested to know: if you multiply the set of pentagonal numbers by 3, it becomes a proper subset of the triangular numbers; specifically, the nth pentagonal number P(n) is equal to (1/3)T(3n - 1).

amusingly, two days ago i picked up the second edition of the Hopcroft, [Motwani], Ullman text, published 2001. there is something downright sexy about that title: automata theory, languages, and computation. yum.

*r
[info]kiad wrote:
Apr. 19th, 2003 04:49 am (UTC)
I am always interested in math- Did you look at my assignment? I linked it at the bottom near the spiral. I made a few illustrations about the relationships between triangular and pentagonal numbers. Our assignments are rather difficult to do, as we have to rely on only historical knowledge, and not current- So everything has to be graphical.

I must admit, it was the automata title that grabbed me. And yes. So delicious.
[info]badkarma_05 wrote:
Apr. 19th, 2003 04:08 am (UTC)
The monk figure freaks me out.
[info]kiad wrote:
Apr. 19th, 2003 04:49 am (UTC)
I think he freaks everyone out.
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Apr. 21st, 2003 07:46 am (UTC)
Herbal healing has always fascinated me. I really must devote some time to its study one of these days.
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